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red.rock.divin.guy
10-02-2015, 08:49 AM
Just a heads up that our truck was closely examined yesterday afternoon (Oct 1) while diving Andrea 2. As per local protocol, the vehicle was unlocked and windows down. Nothing of value was taken but the perpetrators moved all of the items in the cab around and even looked under the rear seat.

Jim N
10-02-2015, 09:08 AM
Andrea II is one of the few sites I where have noticed broken window glass on the ground over the 10 years we have been visiting Bonaire, a good indication that someone had a vehicle broken into there. Broken glass tends to linger a long time at dive sites on the island, so it can be a strong indicator of previous problems at certain sites.

DiverChris
10-02-2015, 03:47 PM
Plus the houses around these sites get broken into as well

Jprice
10-03-2015, 12:04 AM
We recently stayed at Crown Ridge #12 overlooking Andrea I. The units in this location are absolutely stunning, one of the best in the Caribbean. Unfortunately this area is not secure. Our unit was broken into on our last night and they even got into the safe taking off with 6K worth of valuables. There were no signs of forced entry, not even into the safe. Inside job?? Who knows, but if we ever return to Bonaire it will not be in this area.

kob
10-03-2015, 09:39 AM
Witches Hut & Karpata are notorious for car break-ins ... Karpata in particular because the thieves have a quick exit to Rincon

dannori
10-03-2015, 02:04 PM
I have been thinking about this problem and I do believe I may have a defensive plan. We all have old cell phones hanging around many of which shoot video (I have an old Flip camera I intend to use). What if we took our old phones with us and set them up in a hidden location overlooking our truck and record video as we dive. My guess is it won't take too long before someone catches a shot of a perpetrator or the plate number of a vehicle. Yes? no?

tursiops
10-03-2015, 03:12 PM
I have been thinking about this problem and I do believe I may have a defensive plan. We all have old cell phones hanging around many of which shoot video (I have an old Flip camera I intend to use). What if we took our old phones with us and set them up in a hidden location overlooking our truck and record video as we dive. My guess is it won't take too long before someone catches a shot of a perpetrator or the plate number of a vehicle. Yes? no?


Will your phone record for an hour plus? Mine won't.

dannori
10-03-2015, 05:07 PM
Mel, great point but even 15 or 30 minutes is better than nothing. I guess my point is we shouldn't surrender to the idea that we have no recourse against these violations. Video is easy and it is everywhere.

After having said that I should mention that our next trip to Bonaire will be or 10th in 10 years. We have never fallen victim to car rifling at a dive site and we have been to nearly all of them. The Andreas are a must do on every trip and never have we had a problem.

Jprice
10-03-2015, 11:30 PM
Unfortunately it won't matter if you have a camera. The police don't care what happens to the tourists. I'm learning this after a few weeks of frustration despite asking for help from some locals. I am so devastated as Bonaire was on our top list of yearly vacation/ retirement plans.

owajen
10-12-2015, 01:22 PM
We just got back from Bonaire and while we had no problems at all (and haven't in our four trips) I did see broken window glass at the Salt Pier and 1000 steps. On a side note, in my neighborhood in Austin, TX there's a group breaking into houses and stealing tires right off the vehicles. People have given video and pictures to police, they can't seem to 'find' them and it's still happening. Not to excuse it, but just saying that it happens everywhere.

AdivingBel
10-12-2015, 06:05 PM
A group got their truck rifled at Tori's today. I guess they didn't get the memo. They lost a camera, cash, sunglasses, and nice clothing. Our truck was next to theirs, but only had old t-shirts & towels. Nothing missing. It's very unfortunate, but don't take anything you care about that doesn't dive with you.

Jim N
10-15-2015, 08:58 AM
It is very sad that some choose to believe they need not heed the advice, and those folks have lost valuables.

Equally depressing is the realization that their stupidity and carelessness has now only increased the likelihood of repeat incidents, because breaking into vehicles still brings rewards, $$$. Some think they are smarter than the locals who gave them such sage advice, or smarter than the petty criminals who won't think to search in that special hiding spot that the victim thought only they knew of.

nitrogenfixx
10-15-2015, 11:53 AM
Seriously??????????? You are blaming the victims????????????

grunt
10-15-2015, 05:25 PM
I would not leave a camera, cash, sunglasses and nice clothing locked in my car in front of my house in the USA.
To do so would make me and easy victim/enabler.
Common sense dictates to take prudent precautions.

nitrogenfixx
10-15-2015, 06:04 PM
Am I correct in saying that in 2002 you were also an enabler and a victim? All I am saying is, the folks that had things taken from their vehicle in Bonaire, feel badly enough without those of us on Bonaire talk calling them enablers.
A little empathy~~~~~~~~~~~.
I am certain they will not make the same mistake twice. Having said that, the crime on Bonaire is out of hand and not corrected, when it comes to theft from both locals and tourists.
We have made 14 years of trips to Bonaire and the theft is getting worse not better.
Good diving and safe travels to you.

AdivingBel
10-16-2015, 08:31 AM
Here's a positive note... Ours was the only truck at 'ol blue yesterday morning when we came back from our dive. A couple of Bonaire's finest pulled in and checked on us. They asked if we had checked our truck as they had recent reports of a "crew" working the northern sites. We told them we had and all was well, that we didn't leave much in the truck. They were very pleasant and wished us well. We even discussed the best places to eat lionfish. We thanked them for checking on us and how much we appreciated it. It's always a good feeling to have a chat with those in uniform. It reminds us that they are human too. :)

kob
10-16-2015, 09:14 AM
nitrogenfixx ... I will respectfully disagree ... as someone who lives here and deals with tourist divers nearly every day, they are indeed "enabling" the local thieves if they don't heed our daily, on-going, continuous advice to NOT TAKE ANYTHING OF VALUE to a dive site ... we even provide lockers for our customers valuables so they don't have to take anything of value diving that would be left in the truck.

Do you really think that local thieves would continue to drive way north and way south if there was a VERY LITTLE chance that they would get anything? Of course not ... they are doing it because the tourists don't listen or think it won't happen to them ... yes, I empathize with the victims, but you wouldn't leave valuables in your car at home (wherever home is), so don't expect a different result here.

nitrogenfixx
10-16-2015, 03:31 PM
I agree with the concept to not "enable". Having said that, there may have been any number of reasons the folks did not grasp the concept of taking nothing of value with them. As mentioned, we have traveled to Bonaire, multiple times, over a period of 14 years, always heed the warnings/etc. However; we too, were victims of petty crime, when the gas line to our truck was cut, and gas taken. Our truck was parked in a public parking lot, at night, while we were having dinner. So, even "heeding" warnings cannot always prevent criminal issues. The cost of the gas replacement was one thing, but the resort charged us for the " repair to the truck", which was a bit of money. As with all crime, it was a hassle and a lousy experience.

I am just saying, that empathy for the victims, and arrest of these " petty thieves/etc" would be a step in the right direction.
Crime is everywhere and cannot always be prevented. Having said that, Bonaire is a tourist destination, especially for divers, and the petty theft at dive sites seems to be getting worse not better. Too bad, as it is a black eye for Bonaire. The theft issues, not only from dive locations, but from houses, resorts, where even safes are broken into, indicates a wanton lack of respect for law as well as no fear of being caught or prosecuted.
Because you live on Bonaire and deal with tourist and divers nearly every day, I would assume you would want to be on the forefront of taking steps to help stop these theft issues. Perhaps you could ask the authorities if there are ways in which the local people, such as yourself, could give them assistance.
So as you see, I will respectfully disagree with you on blaming the visitors to your island. From you point of view, if there is anything attractive that thieves want, they simply go and take it. Are your stores in Bonaire robbed, broken into, etc, because they have attractive items in the windows? For the most part, I think not, because the local businesses would not tolerate it. However; tourists that come and go are "easy picking" because they are on the island so short a time, that is is impossible for them to have crimes against them solved.
I wish you a continued good life on Bonaire and safe diving.

Tom
10-19-2015, 03:03 PM
We just came back from the island. We were careful as usuall to not keep anything of value in the truck, although we got a bit lazy about tanks and such. We actually had 2/3 weight belts stolen out of the back of our truck parked out front of Elegancia one night. Not sure what the incentive was there, but not the end of the world. I only hope it was someone who will actually put em to use ;).

antennariidae
10-21-2015, 01:07 PM
We live in a suburb of Washington, DC and I'm on a Nextdoor forum for local residents. A couple days ago, the topic was petty theft from vehicles. The conversation has been going back and forth between those bemoaning the fact that the local police haven't been able to stop it and those bemoaning the fact that their neighbors are leaving their cars unlocked and leaving items in their cars, thereby enabling the scofflaws. I don't know if I really have any reason for pointing this out other than it sounds a lot like the conversation in this thread! :)