Had a lazy morning and as I was loading my tanks, people started running and said another plane went down.
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NO! OMG, what is going on?? I hope everyone made it out okay...please updates anyone??
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my current understanding is divi and from tower freq 9 survivors. details unconfirmed and not for speculation or dissemination!!
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I literally just walked back from Town Pier and posted. No new information yet. They are reporting on Bonaire TV, the reporter was right beside where I was standing. The dive boat that did the rescue may have been from Buddy's but it was moving so fast I'm not sure; it had just left the dock heading back to Klein as I got there.
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Thank you for the info, hoping there were ONLY survivors. Will watch for updates.
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Bette posted on facebook that all 9 passengers were safe. but the pilot and plane were not accounted for.
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oh my......
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OMG!!! Thoughts and prayers to everyone; how scary.
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Our thoughts and prayers out to everyone
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Staying at the Bellevue. Saw several small boats heading past Klein. A Marine park boat was working just off our shore here and took off to help. There was a helicopter hovering at the site for an hour. There is also a large Coast Guard ship holding at the site. We werent sure what had happened at the time but we found out that a plane had gone down.
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I hate reading these things and not knowing the outcome....I do hope and pray that EVERYONE is ok...Please keep posting the details.....
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News says all survived but pilot missing at this time. The helicopter is heading back out and the coast guard ship is still sitting there. The dive boats are all coming back. Survivors at the hospital.
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I meant the dive boats are coming back to town...not back to the crash.
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It was a DA plane...not Divi.
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DAE??
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Do we know if it was coming or going???
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My above post makes no sense, it just happened, can't have all the details yet.....
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Nothing on Goggle or the news outlets, yet, let's pray it was not a passenger plane.
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Cecil, it is on Google. But both stories are in Dutch
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I think it is important to recognize the response of this tiny island to this incident. It was both selfless and complete. I had a clear view of the location but not the incident and at one point EVERY boat just aimed at this site. I did not realize the significance to begin with because it is a common fishing area. When the Don Andres was not moving it caught my attention.
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Wow, I have tears reading this. I hope all are ok and the pilot is found. Prayers and positive vibes being sent for all those involved.
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Good morning all,
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Thank you Jaap for the translation.
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Bette just posted this on FB:
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Thanks, Boom, a few sources I contacted had said the pilot was found and safe too. Glad to hear from a local TV station reporting it as fact. Sounds to me that the pilot did an excellent job in keeping everyone as safe as he could considering the circumstances and kudos to all the boats, etc., that came to their aid. Will look for further news on this.
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Bette just posted a correction:
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But DiviDivi only has one pilot normally ?
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Sept - Oct BT list.
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I have to take back what I posted above. I just talked to the folks staying at my place. I do not believe the captain made it out.
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doesn't look like any of the above travelers were in the air coming to Bon......I am sure we will hear all about it if there was anyone we know involved.... prayers up for the Captain
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yes it was divi. Sorry
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Very sad indeed. My guests were actually on one of the boats that went out to the scene to rescue anyone along with many other boats. My heart and prayers go out to the pilot and his family.
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more information:
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The pilot must have done one hell of a job landing the plane in the water. Kudos to him.
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What awfull news. My wife and I went with Divi Divi while on honeymoon on Bonaire in 2007. We made a one day visit to Curacao and I was thrilled like a young kid to be able to sit next to the pilot with clear view in front of me. My condoleances go to family of the pilot and Divi Divi crew...
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Awful news. My sympathies to the family. A brave pilot.
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this is so sad! Bless him for the sacrifice he gave!
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Our thoughts are with the pilot's family. Looks like he almost made it to the runway. Very sad.
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We were there. Diving and the plane crashed 400 feet from boat. Ended up rescuing all 9 passengers and taking them to town pier. Appeared to all have no or minor injuries.
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Damn good thing you guys was on site so quick.
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I can't even begin to imagine what that was like.
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I wonder if they will call on Walt to recover the pilot since the plane sunk in around 600 ft.of water ?
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Timmy
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I believe it went down in about 1,000 feet depth range.
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sad.....prayers for the family of the pilot..
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Jerry-
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This is so sad and so scary. My heart goes out to the family of the pilot.
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Terry, just curious:
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There is a short article in the Daily Herald (St. Maarten).
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Here is an article from the Amigoe: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64169.php
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Thanks, Debbie.
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I'm no expert on planes:
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Bob
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Here is a YouTube Video Tribute to the brave captain and passengers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3bbfkQgK40
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I'm very sad hearing all of this. Our pilot in May, his name was Robert....he called me over to be his co-pilot. All I know was that he was young and OH SO VERY NICE!!!! This is so sad....
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I am currently a student pilot, so this really hits home. Bob, lots of factors go into your question including fuel, weight, wind and air density. Twins are generally built to be able to fly with one engine but nine passengers and luggage would complicate things. My guess is the pilot did his best to maintain altitude and get as close to the airport before his decent and came up short of the runway. All pilots are trained in "no power" flight/glide and landings. He would have been in direct contact with air traffic control so I would think we will have more answers as they sort it out and release information. Just such a shame the pilot lost his life.
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In Debbie's video they have the conversation between the pilot and air traffic control. Also, if you look in the comments to the video, Erik posted, he was on the plane. Go to his youtube page and he has a link to a news interview about the crash.
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Thanks Tink, watched it just now. So sad indeed....
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I had the great pleasure of flying with captain Rob Mansell, a professional pilot and in true testimony to his skills was able to save the lives of 9 passengers on board his aircraft.
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In regards to twin engine flying. I am a certified flight instructor and may be able to shed some light on an engine out in a twin engine plane.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/8323711.stm
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Thanks for the info, Dave. I agree with you fully and the pilot did a very professional job. Nine passengers living to tell the tale is more than I would expect in a case like this.
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We were flying a Divi Divi flight several years ago and lost an engine after departure from bonaire ... we had departed and as we continued climbing, made the turn toward Curacao ... about the time we'd reached Klein, we heard a pop ... i was riding up front with the pilot ... my friend and I are both licensed pilots and knew exactly what had happened ... i turned back and looked at him and we just shook our heads ...
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My ex husband, who lives in Finland, just sent me the article from the BBC News about the crash.
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Wow this guy was a hero, a good few years I did some work for BAE? and my consultants had a tour of the training school. Seeing the twin engine planes and the single engine trainers, they asked if the pilots preferred the twin engines. They were told no the singles were the first choice in both cases the plane would go down, but twice as often with thr twins. Robert came from close to us - only 30 miles away, do we know were is going to be laid to rest? if here I would go pay respect on behalf of BTr's
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Smack,
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This thread makes me very proud and humble...
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I think it is fairly standard to have 1000ft separation for flight paths.
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My friend from Antigua called me last night and tole me Pilot Mansell, who once flew for Winair was originally from the Midlands. So is my friend. The story was on BBC.
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Pilot Franklin Antoin, formerly with Divi made a tribute to Pilot Mansell. I loaded it onto www.bonairebliss.com
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From the Amigoe: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64214.php
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Having recently flown in this aircraft in the front seat next to the pilot, I know firsthand that the quarters are very cramped. As hard as I tried to retract my body parts (I’m 6-4) away from the “dashboard”, the pilot needed to tell me three times to keep my limbs away from the controls.
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PS to the above post:
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Greg & Lani, They are still investigating it. I am sure more info will come out as it is known. If you read the article from the Amigoe above your post that I just posted, it says quote "Why the pilot had chosen to continue flying instead of returning and if the aircraft had excess weight as suggested earlier, should become apparent from the investigation. “Robert had probably acted to the best of his abilities. There is nothing we can say on the ‘why’,” said Richie."
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Dave Thexton,
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after an afternoon of watching football i can attest that armchair quarterbacking, while easy, does no one any good. let's try to keep the speculation to a minimum until more facts are revealed. i'm sure the passengers will be interviewed extensively and when the plane is recovered maybe more can be learned from it.
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For those of you who are not aware of the location... this is the north west corner of Klein taken about midday on that unfortunate day.
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Several external/internal shots of Div Divi’s PJ-Sun. The last shot taken through the cockpit window of Flamingo Airport is probably not too far from where the plane ditched.
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Greg, you have been flying to Bonaire you said.
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AOL has a story about the crash on it's home page today.
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The single engine climb rate under standard temperature and pressure for this airplane is 145 feet per minute. At 86 degrees at sea level, and the humidity that day as well as a full passenger load, there is no way that level flight can be maintained. I beleive the local carriers and or government need to re-evaluate their regulations to address this by either limiting passenger loads, requiring higher cruise altitudes to extend glide range, or require higher performance aircraft. That said, he did an excellent job ditching it. May he RIP.
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Brian, please let us know if the services for this hero are planned, and if you attend and represent BTers...I have tears, so sad.
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I suggest you re-read the message from Dave Goodwin before trying to make suggestions that the airlines need to limit their load, or hinting that it was overloaded. Many people who actually do know about these things will tell you that none of it would have made any difference. What would have made a difference would have been an inexperienced pilot, who would possibly have done the wrong thing and ended up losing all on board.
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I am an ATPL ( Airline transport pilot) with 9000 hrs under my belt. over the years I have flown various aircraft 29 to be precise. in my career I have had 4 engine failures of which 2 were catastrophic i.e. the engines caught on fire, whether through experience or just plane luck I managed to walk away from them all.
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this Question is in response to the last post.
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I can only relate to a flight I took in August on the same type of plane Insel is/was flying at the time.
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Emma Jane,
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To add a bit to what Dave IMHO correctly said, profit. I have no reason to doubt the 300# baggage limit in the cargo area of the puddle-jumper aircraft Sue flew. So a 9 passenger plane allows 33-1/3 pounds of "stuff" per passenger? Sounds about right to me.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6889041.ece#
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In "the Telegraaf"
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The Dutch government has commissioned the Rotterdam company “Smit” to salvage the remains of the 32 year old pilot Rob Mansell.
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I was out at Klein this afternoon and it looks as if a special boat is there now.
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Smit is one of the foremost worldwide salvage (and more) companies. <http://www.smit.com/>
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