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    Interesting but sad police report on FaceBook's Forum Bonaire. Shootings & armed robbery. Tough when honest citizens cannot defend themselves.

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    Agreed. I unfortunately believe that the proverbial snowball in hell has a better chance of surviving then the probability of changing the gun control laws on Bonaire.
    I'm a firm believer in that private law abiding citizens have the right to carry and use deadly force when their lives or businesses are threatened by some of these thugs. Thieves are empowered with the current situation and will become more brazen as time passes when they are armed and know they are up against an unarmed civilian. The police will always arrive too late to provide meaningful assistance. If the government can not stop the flow of illegal firearms (which is quite apparent) then they should let honest law abiding citizens protect themselves. Unfortunately, my viewpoint is in the minority.
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    Amen, Vince ... I will miss my Glock
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    Just going to throw in my 2 cents worth. While I agree that there needs to be more police action I do not agree that allowing citizens to bear arms is the answer for Bonaire. The size and location of the island already makes smuggling in weapons difficult. While there obviously is an access for the criminal element to acquire weapons, it can't be a simple process that the average break and enter thug would have access to. Now, legislate and allow gun registration on Bonaire and we have an influx of potentially 18,000 citizens buying, registering and storing guns in their homes. The amount of weapons on the island increases exponentially. Will they all be stored securely? some yes, some no. They will be in drawers, glove compartments, safes and purses. The average break and enter thug now has easy access to a large source of weapons on the island. They acquire a gun during a break and enter which now empowers them to move on up to more violent crimes.

    I'm no crimologist and these are purely my own thoughts on legalizing gun ownership on any small Island like Bonaire. Do I have a better answer? I wish I did. I just don't feel that more guns is the answer and will potentially only increase their use in crimes.
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    Gerald -- I will respectfully disagree ... statistics in the US consistently show that crime goes down in those locations where guns are more readily available to people. Some of the highest violent crime areas of the US are in those locales (Chicago, Washington DC) where gun ownership is heavily restricted. I am a firm believer that gun ownership is a stronger deterrent to crime than the reverse.

    Reasonable people can disagree. Cheers & see you on Bonaire some time !!
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    Gerald: Human psychology does not change, whether it be Bonaire or Washington DC. The approach of banning firearms by law has absolutely no effect on the criminal element. History has shown this time & time again. Thugs and criminals don't care what the law states, it's really that simple. Look at what has preserved the human race from self annihilation, it is "balance of power". History is replete with what happens when this is lacking. With the current situation, there is no balance of power between law abiding citizens and criminals. The laws outlawing guns to the population do not work, pure and simple. Folks will ALWAYS find ways to circumvent them and get what they want. This is true with illicit drugs as well as firearms. The police can not adequately protect the citizens. You can agree with this or disagree, your choice.

    A simple case in point is Washington DC . They have had the most restrictive gun control policies anywhere in the U.S. The results? Crime has dramatically increased since the restrictive gun laws were first passed given them the distinction of the highest murder rate capital in the U.S. In fact a federal judge within the last 72 hours ruled that their policy of complete gun control is unconstitutional. Here's a link if you're interested:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cli...teid=rss&rss=1

    So, I realize we are all entitled to our opinions, and certainly there is no comparison between Bonaire and the U.S., but I still stand by my opening sentence that human psychology does not change. And obviously we are visitors to Bonaire and do not control in any way their politics nor laws but must abide by them. Nevertheless, I am truly saddened by some of the stuff taking place on this beautiful island. The guns are already in the hands of criminals. If you think that by putting them into the hands of responsible citizens will only make matters worse, then I think we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
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    Hey Kevin, Hey Vince,

    I don't entirely disagree with what you are saying. I fully agree that in Canada and the US gun ownership is a deterrent to violent crimes. My theory, (and it is just that, my own theory based on no statistics or research, lol) is that in those 2 countries guns have been owned by citizens since the dawn of time, well ok since John Wayne was around anyway. They are everywhere from, peoples homes, to pawn shops, to sporting goods stores. I think that anyone could obtain an illegal fireman within a day or two based on 6 degrees of separation. (Within 6 people someone will know someone who could acquire a weapon, somewhere). Of course, there already is a criminal element on Bonaire that has access to guns and drugs. My theory is that, at this point in time, the average break and enter thug does not. If we suddenly add a ton of weapons to the island, they now become common place and accessible to everyone. What once may have been a simple break end enter, where the thugs run off when the home owners wake up, now becomes an armed robbery.

    Again, just my thought process on this. I could be wrong. I'm probably wrong. I usually am, just ask my wife. LOL

    We'll debate over Brights one day on the Island.
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    In a Nutshell
    Yes No
    1. Most violent crimes are committed with guns; thus, restricting gun ownership will likely reduce the number of such crimes.
    2. Lunatics, bullied school kids, disgruntled workers, and others can inflict mass casualties with guns that otherwise wouldn't be possible.
    3. A crime victim who has a gun may be in more danger than an unarmed person since the criminal may kill in perceived self-defense.
    4. Suicides and crimes of passion are higher with gun availability, as it's much easier to act immediately on your impulses when a gun is available.
    5. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution was targeted towards militia, e.g. the National Guard, rather than individuals.
    6. Crimes that may have been less harmful can be made more dangerous by adding a gun.
    7. Legalized gun ownership means guns have a greater chance of falling into the hands of kids, potentially resulting in some deadly accidents.
    8. Terrorism, school shootings, and other modern circumstances make guns more dangerous nowadays.
    1. Criminals will always find a way to obtain their guns, leaving law-abiding citizens without any weapons to use in defense.
    2. Crimes are often prevented by the deterrent effect of the possibility of victim gun possession.
    3. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution protects the individual's right to gun ownership.
    4. Woman and weaker individuals may have no means of self-defense from rape or other crimes, especially in the inner city.
    5. Guns in the possession of citizens are an added protection against government tyranny.
    6. Police are often too overwhelmed to protect all citizens from violent crime.
    7. Banning guns will create another potentially large source of organized criminal revenue, as a black market for guns will surely develop.
    8. Banning guns will take away yet another piece of our liberty, which is one more step to socialism and totalitarianism.
    9. Reasonable gun control & education steps can be put in place, so an outright ban is unnecessary.

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    I rarely wade into threade like this, but I do need to put in a plug (sorry) to defend my neighborhood. Washington DC has actually seen a drop in overall crime since the 90's (when it was the "murder captial"). While DC is still up there in the top 20, there are many other cities that rank worse in violent crimes and murders per capita these days. You can sort through a copy of the FBI data yourself here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._by_crime_rate

    or just go download a spreadsheet from the FBI's website. I'm not claiming that gun laws had anything to do with anything, just pointing out that we ain't in first place anymore!

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    antennariidae ... I think DC was surpassed by Chicago & Detroit (among major cities) a while ago, but Vince's points are still valid.

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