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Bob T
01-28-2019, 04:24 PM
Hi Everybody.. I just got this email about the pier area near Karel’s Beach Bar & Watersport. It sounds scary to me. If anyone would like to take a look at this take a look here please.... https://mailchi.mp/c559ccf426c7/update-on-the-effort-to-save-bonaire-marine-park?e=e5c9e534ea

Canuck52
01-29-2019, 09:13 AM
Yes the allowing of the permit to be isssued is interesting. However, STINAPA did write a letter in favour of the project proceeding. As I understand it Karel’s will be building a new over the water beach bar/restaurant on the pilings that were placed for that purpose some 10 years back. I have not seen any plans or even design concepts so I have no idea what it will look like.

randl
01-30-2019, 08:28 AM
Can someone post the STINAPA letter here? I could not find it on the STINAPA site.

Bob T
01-30-2019, 08:57 AM
Here's one of the posts I did. https://mailchi.mp/c559ccf426c7/update-on-the-effort-to-save-bonaire-marine-park?e=e5c9e534ea

randl
01-30-2019, 10:44 PM
STINAPA is silent in all this. There is nothing about the new pier on their website. Is there a STINAPA letter of support? How was the permit announced?

When Karel wanted to install new piers, successful court action was taken, paid for by donations. Many donors were from this board. How about now?

Canuck52
01-31-2019, 08:17 AM
I will try and track the letter down, I read it as part of a news report on the topic from the on-line Boanire Reporter IIRC. That was early last week again IIRC. I’ll see what I can find on-line.

EDIT, The article I read is in the Jan/Fed issue of the on-line Bonaire Reporter.

randl
01-31-2019, 11:19 PM
Thank you, Canuck52. The article is on P.7 of the Jan 21 - Feb 4 edition of the Bonaire Reporter. In the article, STINAPA says, it is their "responsibility under the law is to manage the national parks, mindful of the need for a careful balance between nature conservation and sustainable and responsible use of our resources. STINAPA is the supervisory authority with the duty to ensure that all actors adhere to the law, and to the conditions of the nature permit."

They say that Karel made changes to the permit-request to limit the scope of the building and the operations that will be performed. This is a closed process, however, so we won't be able to see what those changes were. We will be able to see if the new pier and restaurant (and whatever else was agreed to), damages the environment while it's being built and once it's in use.

I hope STINAPA is right. Most of all, I hope Karel is kind and respectful to the reef. He's been given a special gift: the only over water restaurant on Bonaire. A further concern is that others will seek to create or expand other piers. What will STINAPA say to them?

Bob T
02-01-2019, 09:24 AM
Thanks Randl for checking this out. I hope this doesn't change also more cruise ships for more pollution in the waters....

randl
02-02-2019, 05:36 PM
BonaireTalk has changed. Just a few years ago, this thread would have generated many impassioned posts. On FB, there is only one post on Forum Bonaire posted about the WWF and STCB; it got four LIKES but no responses. BonaireTalk FB has no posts.

The passivity is a bit concerning.

ModRoy
02-02-2019, 06:43 PM
Thread moved to the relevant Sub-Forum as there's lots of relevant posts here too (see Links below)


BonaireTalk has changed. Just a few years ago, this thread would have generated many impassioned posts. On FB, there is only one post on Forum Bonaire posted about the WWF and STCB; it got four LIKES but no responses. BonaireTalk FB has no posts.-MOD:- Fixed - and 36 views & 24 clicked on Link to here within 30 minutes

The passivity is a bit concerning.

I agree RandL, but I also blame Face Fart for a big part of it, the majority of BTers use that daily, with only ca. 40 visitors to BT daily now, from 100's about 5 years ago :(

Here's some links to some history behind the Pier development problems/results of protests in the last 7 years....

http://www.bonairetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?74737-URGENT!!!-Letters-needed-TODAY-to-save-Bonaire-s-Marine-Park!

http://www.bonairetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?76706-Email-From-Sea-Turtle-Conservation-Bonaire&p=457925#post457925

http://www.bonairetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?76706-Email-From-Sea-Turtle-Conservation-Bonaire&p=457925#post457925

http://www.bonairetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?72698-Latest-development-issues-on-Bonaire-please-watch-amp-act!!

http://www.bonairetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?72063-Help!!-Please-view-and-get-involved!!!-N-o-w!!!!

grunt
02-03-2019, 10:02 AM
As always, follow the money and you will find the answers.
Cynical but true.

Canuck52
02-04-2019, 09:09 AM
One can hope that Karl’s and the ‘powers that be’ do really adhere to proper environmental protection methods during the construction and operation of their new restraurant/bar. Not just play lip service, as often is done. One other worry would be the other seaside restraurant/bar owners coming forward with the argument, ‘if Karls’s can do it, why not us?’

As a rough comparison we tried to build a new summer lake side home on Kootenay Lake in BC Canada a few years back There the rules changed and our plans were denied a permit because our 100% land based deck was closer than 15m. (50 ft) to the waters edge. We had planned to match the distance the current deck was set back, that was some 7 m. Thats not In The Water in a National Park that is 15 m back from the edge of the water on private land. I am no expert, but on fresh water lakes the 15m Riparian Zone is considered to be a very important part of the Lake’s overall ecosystem. I am not sure how that applies, or compares, to Saltwater/Reef ecosystems.

larry
02-07-2019, 04:02 PM
Pretty clear to me (especially after I read the full position paper linked in the article) that Stinapa has capitulated. I wonder if that was in exchange for the huge park fee increase?

sorobonanne
02-10-2019, 11:48 AM
I am new to this thread. It is not clear to me , has karel's secured a permit for a new pier and restaurant?

wwguy
02-10-2019, 01:05 PM
I am new to this thread. It is not clear to me , has karel's secured a permit for a new pier and restaurant?

Yes. See page 7 in the Jan 21st issue of The Bonaire Reporter (http://bonairereporter.com/news/019pdfs/01-21-19.pdf#page=7).

randl
02-10-2019, 01:39 PM
sorobananne, he was granted a permit to build a pier and restaurant on the existing pilings next to the existing pier. No new pilings are in the permit. There has never been an overwater kitchen facility on Bonaire. How many out there think it's possible to plumb and maintain an overwater commercial kitchen with no environment impact?

sorobonanne
02-10-2019, 01:58 PM
Yes. See page 7 in the Jan 21st issue of The Bonaire Reporter (http://bonairereporter.com/news/019pdfs/01-21-19.pdf#page=7).

Thank you for the info.

sorobonanne
02-10-2019, 01:59 PM
sorobananne, he was granted a permit to build a pier and restaurant on the existing pilings next to the existing pier. No new pilings are in the permit. There has never been an overwater kitchen facility on Bonaire. How many out there think it's possible to plumb and maintain an overwater commercial kitchen with no environment impact?

Not me !!! It will be a problem. I think it is just fine the way it is. But I do not live on Bonaire so I do not have any say.